Hellfire Disproved Down to the Bone

by Escobar, Dec 14, 2007

Be prepared to have your eyes opened to the truth about what the bible says about hell. Using only the scriptures you will clearly see how this false teaching came about.

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What will you do when you come to the end of your life and finally become forced to feel the extent of the reality that your life is indeed ending, uncertain of what will happen next?

Have you ever wondered such questions as, "is there really such thing as a hellfire?" "Does man have an immortal soul that lives on after death?"

You are about to rediscover the bible like never before as it answers these pressing questions. The scriptures I am about to show will shed light on this common doctrine and remove any doubt as to whether there really is a place of torment taught in the bible.

The bible clearly shows that hell is not a place of torment and that man does not have an immortal soul, but rather is unconscious in death.

The reason people have adopted the belief that hell is an everlasting place of torment results partially from a misunderstanding of Revelation 14:9-11: "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark ... he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever."

Notice that this scripture states that the smoke of their torment ascends forever. As smoke ascends upward it intermingles with the surrounding air, becoming more and more diluted. David recorded in Psalm 37:20 that "the wicked shall perish [not be tortured forever in hell] ... Into smoke they shall vanish away."

Another thing to note is that the Hebrew word for hell is "sheol," and there are certain bibles where you can see a footnote that says " the grave."

The following scriptures confirm that it is not a place of torment:

Ecclesiastes 9:5,10 says: "For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all... All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in She´ol, the place to which you are going."

Psalms 146:4: "His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground;
In that day his thoughts do perish."

Ezekiel 18:4: "The soul that is sinning-it itself will die."

Good people go to hell according to these scriptures, proving that it is not a place of torment for the wicked:

Job 14:13: "O that in Sheol you would conceal me, that you would keep me secret until your anger turns back, that you would set a time limit for me and remember me!" (God himself said that Job was "a man blameless and upright, fearing God and turning aside what is bad." - Job 1:8).

Acts 2:25-27 mentions that Jesus was in hell:

"I had God constantly before my eyes; because he is at my right hand that I may never be shaken. On this account my heart became cheerful and my tongue rejoiced greatly. Moreover, even my flesh will reside in hope; because you will not leave my soul in Hades (hell), neither will you allow your loyal one to see corruption. (The fact that God did not "leave" Jesus in hell implies that Jesus was in hell, or Hades for a time.)

Here are some more questions that are answered from the scriptures:

"Does anyone get out of the Bible hell?"

Rev, 20:13,14: "And the sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Hades gave up those dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds. 14 And death and Hades were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire." (So the dead will be delivered from hell. Notice also that hell is not the same as the lake of fire but will be cast into the lake of fire.)

"After one dies, is he still subject to further punishment for his sins?"

Romans 6:7: "He who has died has been acquitted from his sin."

Here is another important scripture to note:

Jeremiah 7:31: "And they have built the high places of To´pheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hin´nom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart." ("If it never came into God's heart, surely he does not have and use such a thing on a larger scale.") Deuteronomy 18:10, 2 Kings 16:3, 17:16-17, 21:6, 23:10 also tell accounts of the Caanan people who passed their children under the fire. This was a reason God told the Israelites to destroy them!

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#1 by John, Dec 16, 2007

Malachi 4:1-3 KJV 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do [this], saith the LORD of hosts.

Escobar I have to tell you Hell is very real as is Hellfire.

Revelation 20:10,14,15 KJV
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

That is quite clear that the Lake of Fire is Indeed a place of torment.

My guess is you used the New World Translation (The Jehovah's Witness Translation)

I suggest you research and seek God on this subject instead of assuming that you are being taught correctly by those around you

#2 by John, Dec 16, 2007

P.S. I am not trying to judge, only to give reproof and correction, The 2nd death is worse than the 1st.

The Jehovah's Witnesses have changed the Bible in so many ways that it is hardly even close to the original texts. Be careful what you are leading people to believe. "The Fear of the Lord is the Beginning of Wisdom" Proverbs 1:7

#3 by now hold on a minute!!, Dec 16, 2007

Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Clearly there is a hell, and clearly it IS a place of torments
Others may have been kinder in saying this but I'll be Blunt,Stop deceiving people into believing that the wicked will not suffer,
they clearly will.

The Bible clearly states the consequences of willful wickedness,

What people need to know is that Jesus Christ came to seek and save, repentance is a necessary part of Salvation,

God works in a heart that is tender

Hebrews 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

#4 by Escobar, Dec 19, 2007

Actually I used a number of translations, and you have not proved anything of what I said wrong, you are merely stating an opinion, while I used scriptures (and it doesn’t matter what translation it is, you can find the truth in any). The scripture you did put does not say what you are trying to make it be. It says hell will be thrown into “hellfire”. Hell and the lake of fire is clearly not the same thing. Revelations is told in symbols all throughout. Also that scripture you put says that they will tread over the wicked, who will be ashes. There they will be – ashes. They are not somewhere else. You have clearly not read word for word all that I wrote because I have researched a variety of information, half or more of which is not printed by the Watchtower tract society of Jehovah’s witnesses.

#5 by Escobar, Dec 19, 2007

To #4

Read my article again, and the end where it says EDIT I added proof for the Lazarus account

For all others, dont post comments until you\'ve read everything I wrote

#6 by What Part of This is unclear?, Dec 20, 2007

Revelation 20:10,14,15 KJV
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Hell exists, in fact there have been many in hospitals on their deathbeds that have gone screaming off into eternity because they hardened their hearts, if they were not suffering then explain that to me.

#7 by escobar, Dec 22, 2007

to #7
and again what can be more clear that Revelations is symbolic? The *Wild Beast* and the *false Prophet* are symbolic. It turn the rest of that passage is symbolic.

Also the Greek word used here for "torment," basani'zo means "to test (metals) by the touchstone." "To question by applying torture" is another meaning. In this context, the use of this Greek word indicates that what happens to Satan will seve, for all eternity, as a touchstone on the issue of the rightness and righteousness of God's rule. That issue of soverign rulership will have been settled once and for all time. Never agian will a challenge to God's sovereignty need to be tested over an extended period of time in order to be proved wrong.

Also, the related word basanistes', "tormentor" is used in the bible to mean "jailer." And in the Greek Septuagint, which was well known to John, the related word ba'sanos is used to refer to humiliation that leads to death.

With regard to your last statement, people have swore that they have seen ghosts, that does not mean ghosts exist. People have claimed they have seen heaven (near-death experience) but that doe snot make it true. (It was scientifically proven, that your body can go into shock and releases a chemical to make it seem like your floating and that there are lights, in a near death experience).

#8 by # 7, Dec 22, 2007

I am not debating any further with you escobar, the Bible clearly states that there are consequences to those that continue to willfully sin, the 2nd Death and the Lake of Fire where they will be Tormented,other verses make that abundantly clear.....that is the end of my commentary.

#9 by Jonathon, Dec 23, 2007

P.S. if a "chemical" is making people see lights why isn't everybody's NDE the same? think about that before you go about listening to things that are "scientifically proven" keep in mind science does not know everything, nor will it ever, many things only God knows.

#10 by #7, Dec 25, 2007

Escobar we aren't going to debate, as I said I have said what I have to say but remember this For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Mark 8:36

obviously a person can still be alive but be spiritually dead due to unbelief, by the way we weren't talking about those who didn't know better going to hell we were talking about those that willfully continue sinning continuously and without repentance despite having received knowledge of the truth

By the way I should point out that one of the scriptures you yourself pointed out supports what we have said,

Daniel 12:2 "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to EVERLASTING life, and some to shame and EVERLASTING contempt."

shall awake clearly states that there is a conscious resurrection and judgement and everlasting means exactly what it says. If Eternal Life is without ceasing then clearly everlasting contempt is also without ceasing, yes there will be the resurrection and Judgement and that will be a conscious event.

#11 by #7, Dec 25, 2007

and the Lake of Fire is clearly the consequence to those that don't believe John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not IS CONDEMNED already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

#12 by John, Dec 25, 2007

The unconscious would not feel shame so clearly they that are condemned are as conscious during their judgement of condemnation as we that are not condemned are during our Eternal Life

#13 by John, Dec 25, 2007

Matthew 22:37
37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Obviously we DO have souls, "and man became a living soul" means we were before merely the dust of the ground which is what our bodies will return to,we had no life, until God breathed into us life, in the beginning man was not intended to die,the soul IS eternal.

The soul that sinneth it shall die, clearly the reason we became subject to death was due to sin, Christ came to save us from that penalty and give us Life but he made it clear that those who reject Him will suffer condemnation instead.

#14 by Jonathon, Dec 25, 2007

clearly the soul was given to us, not something we ourselves had while we were dust,which is made clear by the word became,the fact that dust is an inanimate object(meaning without life obviously the Life came from God) and because the scripture in Matthew makes it clear that it is possible to lose our soul, this happens due to sin and unbelief, when God gave us our souls we were not intended to die, the soul which God gave us is Eternal,

If we continue sinning willfully however then we will be subject to God's wrath at the judgment, which is indeed a conscious event as already stated, during judgment the wicked will be subject to condemnation,obviously they are conscious if they can feel shamed,

on the other hand, those that are in Christ have eternal life and they shall never perish

so the idea that "we don't have eternal souls" that you stated is clearly misguided.

#15 by Jonathon, Dec 25, 2007

P.S. Eternal either means what it says or it doesn't, God made it clear that both the Life of those that believe is eternal and that the shame and contempt of those that do not believe is everlasting (everlasting and eternal mean the same thing as they are used)as already stated if the shame and contempt of the unbelieving is everlasting and one must be conscious to feel shame then clearly the soul is eternal.

The 2nd death is not the same as the physical death

#16 by This should settle any debates, Dec 25, 2007

Matthew 13:49-50
49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

50And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

There will be conscious everlasting suffering for the wicked, and it is The Lake of Fire of revelation, it is not "symbolic"

Again, the Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom

#17 by Jonathon, Dec 25, 2007

correction to comment 17, the scripture about losing ones soul is in Mark 8:36, I realized only after I submitted the comment that I had put Matthew, sorry for the typo and any confusion it may have caused but everything else from my comments stands

#18 by Robert G, Dec 25, 2007

Escobar dear friend, please look at all scripture in context and keep it the way it was meant, do not take bits and pieces and skew them to suit your own means, the human conscience testifies to the truth, we do have souls and there is indeed a judgment coming and the wicked will indeed suffer everlasting shame and contempt for their unbelief, which they will indeed be awake for and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth so obviously the wicked will be consciously in torments in the Lake of Fire

#19 by Escobar, Dec 26, 2007

I understand where you are coming from, but those scriptures do not prove what you are trying to say at all. You are the ones using bits and pieces, while I am using countless scriptures.

First of all, I don't know why you showed me that scripture in Mark. It does not prove an immortal soul.

Notice the same scripture in Luke 9:25: "What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self?"
The scripture simply means that if you want to be as satisfied as you can in this life materially, you'll miss out on eternal life. As confirmed in this scripture in Ecclesiastes 6:2: "a man to whom God giveth riches, wealth, and honor, so that he lacketh nothing for his SOUL of all that he desireth, yet God giveth him not power to eat thereof, but an alien eateth it; this is vanity, and it is an evil disease." (Strange, it talks about a man's soul being satisfied materially).

The soul is not an immaterial part of us that survives us--it IS us. It is our being. "Love god with your whole soul" means to love him with your whole being. The Greek word psyche is often used which usually means "life" or "vitality" or at times "the self."

Notice this scripture-
Genesis 9:4: But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

-First of all, this scripture shows that animals "have souls." This proves that souls aren't immortal otherwise animals would be immortal. 'Both man and beast are termed living souls because they are living creatures which, through sentient faculties, are capable of experience.'

Second of all it says that the soul is connected with the blood, which is a FLESHLY life force in us.

Here's another scripture that proves that the soul is the person/animal

Acts 27:37: "And we were in all in the ship two hundred threescore and sixteen souls."

“every animal of the field and every flyer of the heavens” (Gen.2:19; cp 1:24,30), even “the great sea monsters and all the moving living souls with which the waters swarm” (Gen.1:20,21.

The soul, our BEING, involves our sences. Clearly the soul is NOT something outside of our senses as shown in these passages:
“whatsoever thy soul lusteth after” (Deut.12:15,20,21), “thy soul longeth to eat flesh” (Deut.12:20), “eat grapes thy fill at thine own pleasure” (Deut.23:24), “Their soul abhorreth all manner of meat” (Psa.107:18), “a thief, if he steal to satisfy his soul” (Prov.6:30), “eateth to the satisfying of his soul” (Prov.13:25), “an honeycomb, sweet to the soul” (Prov.16:24), “if thou be a man given to appetite” (Prov.23:2), “The full soul loatheth an honeycomb, but to the hungry soul every bitter thing is sweet.” (Prov.27:7), “should make his soul enjoy good” (Margin reads: “delight his senses,” Ecc.2:24), “the appetite is not filled” (Ecc.6:7), “to make empty the soul of the hungry” (Isa.32:6).

And it can't be more clearer than this, what Jesus said: “Do not worry about your soul, what you may be eating, or what you may be drinking...Is not the soul more than nourishment” (Matt.6:25)?

#20 by Escobar, Dec 26, 2007

Ok now about the scripture you put about "being condemned eternally." First of all when I mentioned that they would feel humiliated, I meant at Jesus's return, not after, as shown by this scripture:

Matthew 24:30:And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

It refers to those who SEE their impending doom and judgement that is to fall upon them.

The word eternal is used because their destruction is permanent. And their remembrance is eternally forgotten.

Psalms 9:5: Thou hast rebuked the heathen, thou hast destroyed the wicked, thou hast put out their name for ever and ever.

I know the 2nd death is not the same as the first, because the second is PERMANENT.

In my bible translation on the passage about "the lake of fire" it says, "this MEANS the 2nd death." I researched a bit and I found out in other translations that says, "this is the second death—the lake of fire", or to be more clarified, "“Let me show you ‘the second death.’ There it is: the lake of fire.” The word "is" is a symbolic metaphor meaning "represents." This is also the case in Matthew 26:26 where Jesus says, "This bread IS my body . . . ."

The lake of fire “is” the second death, just like in Revelation 1:20, the seven stars “are” messengers. This is because it ties in a symbolic phrase- "lake of fire" with the literal "death."

And again you have avoided to take into consideration Revelations 20:14 that shows the clear difference between "hell" and the "lake of fire."

Death is the opposite of life. Thus it is only reasonable to conclude that if the righteous have "eternal life" the wicked will be forever dead.

#21 by escobar, Dec 26, 2007

correction to Genesis 9:4: Only the flesh with it's SOUL - it's blood - you must not eat.

#22 by reb, Dec 27, 2007

wow escobar ur explanations r most thorough and convincing. nice article :)

#23 by here you go, Dec 27, 2007

Again Escobar you must look at context, Wailing and gnashing of teeth, the 2nd death is conscious it is a permanent everlasting condemnation but nonetheless conscious read this dear friend I will not debate with you when the bible is very clear

#24 by Escobar, Dec 27, 2007

You have ignored everything I said #26, ignoring all the scriptures by so doing. that is the only scripture you are defending right now. Context is the proceeding scriptures and the ones that follow. I already explained that scripture so I am not going to acknowledge your comment until you acknowledge mine. Thank you.

#25 by coolio, Dec 27, 2007

Hellfire is nonexistent. The roots of immortality of the soul and hellfire come from paganism. You guys ranting here need to do more research. Escobar gave hundreds of scriptures and you are defending the same ones over and over again when the bible's message throughout is clear.

#26 by John, Dec 27, 2007

Escobar you said "The scripture simply means that if you want to be as satisfied as you can in this life materially, you'll miss out on eternal life." you tripped yourself up right there, if the Life is Eternal the Soul is, you cannot have one without the other. Eternal condemnation is nonetheless eternal, and death in the eternal sense does not mean unconsciousness, it means condemned as is made clear by the fact that there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth,the unconscious cannot gnash their teeth

#27 by escobar, Dec 27, 2007

thank you coolio. The bible's message throughout is clear. Notice how the scriptures I used are from the old testament and the new testament- all throughout-and that even the words are analyzed by what the Greek/Hebrew language meant.

I'm not trying to "convert" anyone. I am just trying to reassure people who have to live in fear of a hellfire that God's word does NOT teach that. Getting people to do what you want by using fear is man's idea, not God's. God is love. And the sciptures are truth. Don't try to contradict his word.

#28 by John, Dec 27, 2007

We are not contradicting His word Escobar, we are simply letting people know that there is indeed condemnation for the wicked, God is Love yes but at the same time he makes it clear that those that willfully reject Him have instead chosen His wrath

#29 by Robert G., Dec 27, 2007

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS. (Matthew 25:41)

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Revelation 14:11

clearly the condemned are conscious if they have no rest day or night

Jude 7, Sodom and Gomorrha...are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Matthew 18:8-9
8Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

9And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

clearly there is hell fire and clearly it is Eternal

#30 by Escobar, Dec 27, 2007

to John (#29):

No John, that is the meaning of the scripture. I explained the connection with another account. But here's more scriptures.

Ezekiel 7:19: They will throw their silver into the streets, and their gold will be an unclean thing. Their silver and gold will not be able to save them in the day of the Lord's wrath.

Proverbs 11:4: Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath,
but righteousness delivers from death.

John 12:25: He that loveth his soul shall lose it; and he that hateth his soul in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

You said "if the life is eternal the soul is." The soul is not the same as life. The soul is your being, your experiences, your personality, your sences. A soul can be dead and it can be alive.

Notice these scriptures that have the word soul (nephesh in Hebrew)

Leviticus 19:28: And YOU must not make cuts in YOUR flesh for a deceased soul, and YOU must not put tattoo marking upon yourselves.

Numbers 5:2: Command the sons of Israel that they send out of the camp every leprous person and everyone having a running discharge and everyone unclean by a deceased soul.

Numners 19:11: Anyone touching the corpse of any human soul must also be unclean seven days.

And about the "gnashing of teeth" scripture. That does not denote pain and agony in hell. It denotes anger and hostility. Notice its uses.

Job 16:9: God assails me and tears me in his anger
and gnashes his teeth at me;
my opponent fastens on me his piercing eyes.

Acts 7:54: When they heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him.

More scriptures are: Psalms 35:16; Psalms 37:12; Psalms 112:10; Lamentations 2:16; Acts 7:54; Matthew 13:43, 49-50; Matthew 22:13-14; Matthew 24:50-51; Matthew 25:30; Luke 13:28.

This anger occurs when they see their judgement befalling them.

Revelations 12:12: But woe to the earth and the sea,
because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
because he knows that his time is short.

#31 by Escobar, Dec 27, 2007

Robert G go back and read my article I explained that scripture there. Thanks.

#32 by John, Dec 27, 2007

Wailing and gnashing of teeth clearly denotes pain as it is used. Even if we were to look at gnashing of teeth as meaning anger as you would have us do, the unconscious cannot wail or gnash their teeth in pain,anger or otherwise so clearly those that are condemned ARE conscious,

I am done arguing I have given plenty of scriptures keep the ones you quote in context, you keep contradicting yourself there are numerous verses that state without question that there is Hellfire and it is Eternal Robert G pointed out several, but so long as you think it is merely "Symbolic" then there is no point in trying to speak with you on the subject, the Judgment is real and Everlasting nonetheless

#33 by Robert G, Dec 27, 2007

Wailing and gnashing of teeth clearly denotes pain in the context it was used in Revelation as John and others have said keep things in context, my advice to all future readers is that it is pointless to debate, God's word says that Hellfire exists, there are More than enough scriptures to that effect and all my commentary on this article is done

#34 by Escobar, Dec 28, 2007

Do you relilize you and Robert G combined gave about 10 scriptures-- and I gave about 63 scriptures, and you have avoided acknowledging/explaining nearly ALL of my scriptures I used.

I have shown you what the words mean in their Greek/Hebrew language and a lot more, and again you insist on your own definition of the words used back then. And now to further avoid any exposure you are ready to leave. I have acknowledged ALL the scriptures you used. (if there are any that I have overlooked please tell me). You do realize that this shows something about you guys. I don't mind having a discussion about the scriptures with people but it is kind of pointless to do it if the person is just giving their opinions and insisting that their interpretation is what the bible teaches without even considering context (and then blaming it on me that I don't use context!) and not listening to the scriptures I point out.

Before you attempt to put the same scriptures over and over - just answer me this--why does it say hell will be thrown into the lake of fire? (as I have mentioned about 3 times before)

Why does the bible say Jesus was in hell?

Why does the teaching of immortality of the soul and hellfire stem from anceient Greek philosophy and other pagan origins?

The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “From the middle of the 2nd century AD Christians who had some training in Greek philosophy began to feel the need to express their faith in its terms, both for their own intellectual satisfaction and in order to convert educated pagans. The philosophy that suited them best was Platonism.” So, as the Britannica says, “the early Christian philosophers adopted the Greek concept of the soul’s immortality.” Even Pope John Paul II acknowledged that the immortal-soul doctrine incorporates “theories of certain schools of Greek philosophy.”

Why does the greek word for hell mean "grave"/"pit", and why does the word soul mean "the conscious self or personality as centre of emotions, desires, and affections," "a living being,"?

I think I've made my point.

P.S. if you guys are interested, I can send you this interesting essay on hell that a viewer sent me. But if you prefer not to, then I understand.

#35 by Escobar, Dec 28, 2007

One more thing - the very first verse of revelations says:
\"The Revelation...signified [Greek, sema--a sign] by his angel to his servant John.\"

Revelations is a book of signs, that is symbolic language.

The beast and the false prophests are symbols. No bible scholar interprets them literally, thinking a literal dragon and beast are going to attack the earth.

Gnashing of teeth will happen yes, because that is when they come to the end and realize the intense loss. The RESULTS of the fire are eternal, which is why it says the smoke of their torment ascends forever (to repeat). The wicked are never coming back.

The tragedy is missing out on eternal life with God.

\'The flames that consume the wicked are designed to remove evil from the universe, NOT PRESERVE IT FOREVER. We will see an end to all suffering. Every tear will be wiped away. That’s the purpose of our Father who is in Heaven. That’s consistent with His character.\'

#36 by Sharon, Jan 23, 2008

American Standard Version
Let me not be put to shame, O Jehovah; for I have called upon thee: Let the wicked be put to shame, let them be silent in Sheol.

I gurss this means the wicked will be silent and not wailing in tormet.

Why didn't GOD warn anybody about hell before DANIEL came ?
ADAM & EVE were not warned.

MOSES was not told even when he got the commandments.

ABRAHAM was not told even when

SODOM & GOMORRAH were destroyed.

NOAH was not told even before the flood.
American Standard Version
Let me not be put to shame, O Jehovah; for I have called upon thee: Let the wicked be put to shame, let them be silent in Sheol.

Why didn't GOD warn anybody about hell before DANIEL came ?
ADAM & EVE were not warned.

MOSES was not told even when he got the commandments.

ABRAHAM was not told even when SODOM & GOMORRAH were destroyed.

NOAH was not told even before the flood.

Something is missing here to support the hells fire doctrine. You need to go back to ancient Babylonians to find the real source, or go back to the beginning; The setting was the Garden of Eden. Who said? "You positively will not die" Wow! The idea of living forever started here. I think the false doctrine got it start with the original father of the lie. The result for Satan will also happen to those that put belief in this perpetuated lie. No Sorry, the result will not be the same. The end result for those that put their hopes in this false doctrine will be death. Just like Jehovah stated they were condemmed with a death sentence.He didn't say fly or fry, he said die.

#37 by #41, Feb 21, 2008

Well now, do you suppose that Jesus is not God, and The Holy Spirit is but a force? And do you suppose that Jesus died on a upright pole? Our God is a LOVING GOD, but he alos said to HATE what is evil and wrong.

Rom.12:19 Friends, do not avenge yourselves; instead leave room for HIS WRATH. For it is written: VENGEANCE belongs to me; I will repay, says the Lord.

clearly, God hates, He hates what is wrong.

1Corin.2:11 For among men knows the concerns of a man except the SPIRIT of the man that is IN him? In the same way, no one know the concerns of God expect the Spirit of God.

1Corin.15:42-46 So it is with the resurrection of the dea: Sown in corruption, raised in incorruption; sown in dishoner, raised in glory; sown in weakness, raised in power; sown a natural body, raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So it is written: The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit. However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; the the spiritual.

47-49 The first man was from the earth, and made of dust; the second man is from heaven. Like the man made of dust, so are those who are made of dust; like the heavenly man, so are those who are heavenly. And just as we have borne the image of the man made of dust, we will also bear the image of the heavenly man.

2corin.12 It is necessary to boast; it is not helpful, but I will move on to visions and revelations of the Lord. I know a man in Christ who was caught up into the thrid heaven 14 years ago. Whether he was in the BODY or OUT OF THE BODY, I don\'t know; God knows.

Now, if we did not have an immortal soul, then why would John make clear that the either entered with his body or without his body, he doesn\'t know.

And why did Jesus say, the rich man in hell will look up at Lazarus, asking for one drop of water, because it was so hot. He was in torment. Those are the words of Jesus, and it wasn\'t just a parable because He was talking about real people like Lazarus.

Jehovah\'s Witnesses, I love them, but I do not agree with what they believe. They twist the Bible to the point where it\'s unreconizable. Scholars even say that they have the most bias of all Bible translations, so it might support their beliefs. For instance, they\'ll take out every where in the Bible where it says worship, when it\'s associated with Christ, and add, \"did obeissance.\" And they\'d make sure to replace int he Bible where it says God, and put Jehovah, when Jehovah, or Yahweh, never even occurs, not once, in the NT. The word that\'s translated \"GOD\" is theos, which means God in Greek.

What about John, where they put, The word was [a] god, when throughout the Bible, God said there is no other God aside from Him.

Anyways, the danger of Hell is just as real as the air you breathe. Everything in the Bible is not symbolic, as your kind will have others believe. But not to judge or anything!
Make your own Bibles, don\'t twist ours!!

#38 by escobar, Jun 3, 2008

i haven't been checking back on this for a long while. Thanks for all the responses. I agree with you reneldo, in any translation it is clear that hellfire does not exist.

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Hellfire Disproved Down to the Bone

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